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Selecting Objects - What are the tricks

OK I'm a complete Lucid Chart Newbie and getting a bit irritated when trying to move an object e.g. text box, and instead it draws out arrows I don't want or starts making a next box... what is the trick to just selecting and grabbing and moving and object within triggering any of the drawing tools. I tried shift click and that works sometimes but not others... if I click on the text on the white space in between words and drag, the object moves sometimes and not others... I'm missing something basic.

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Hi All, Thanks for your patience and feedback. We've made some changes lately that address the feedback you've given us. 

  • It's easier to select objects stacked on top of each other.
  • The aesthetics of selected objects is much stronger, so you know exactly what you've selected and deselected.
  • Small shapes are much easier to select and move. 
  • And if that's not enough, it's now possible to turn off connections, which makes selection, movement, and resizing extremely easy.

Please see gif below for examples. We hope you enjoy the changes. We'll keep working on making Lucidchart even better. Thanks again!

 

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I agree - this ambiguous functionality is really irritating. Did you find any solution? I can't even shift+click to select more than one item...

Andy Conrad 0 votes
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Hi Andy,

Thanks for your forum post! I'm sorry for any frustration with trying to select multiple objects. You can do this easily with ctrl+click (cmnd+click on mac). We recently updated this from shift+click because this hotkey conflicted with some features in certain shape libraries.

You can also select multiple objects at once by clicking on the white space and then dragging to select a larger group of objects. You can see the attached screenshot for reference. 

Warm regards,

- Brett

Brett Bowman 0 votes
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Sorry but i find the dragging to select objects awful. For example if i wish to select a smaller object located near a larger object, when i click and drag around the smaller object, in a similar fashion to how i would use Visio, it just auto selects the larger object, completely ignoring the smaller object! Very annoying.

Regards,

 

Pete Carnie.

Pete C 0 votes
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Hi Pete! You are absolutely right about that, and I can see how that could be annoying. In the case that you described, I would recommend using the ctrl+click (cmnd+click on mac) hotkey combination to select the smaller object and ignore the larger objects. We've tried to make sure there are several ways to do the same task. Hopefully this one works for you!

McKayl B 0 votes
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Hi, thank you for your reply, however the solution provided does not help. Lets try and explain the issue:

1. I have an object, lets say it is a box, and i have text which i overlay on the box (it might not be text, it could be another slightly smaller box, but we will use the text example), giving me 2 objects occupying the same space

2. I wish to simply select both, however as i am close to a larger object, i.e. a cloud icon, i cannot simply click and drag around the 2 objects in my example, because as per my original post, whereby it just seems to select the larger object

3. If i try to ctrl-click on the 2 objects it does not work. All what seems to happen is that it toggles between the first or the second object i.e. the box or the text, and does not choose both

This manipulation is really easy in Visio, but does not work correctly in Lucidchart.

 

Regards,

 

Pete Carnie.

Pete C 0 votes
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Hi Pete! I was imagining a small shape next to a large shape. Thanks for clarifying!

I've created a few test scenarios to make sure I fully understand what happens for you. Assuming that the smaller shape is in front of the larger shape, I can select both by clicking the smaller shape, holding down Shift or Ctrl, and clicking the larger shape. If I group the two shapes, I'm able to move them elsewhere on the canvas or resize them in scale.

I think it would be helpful to look at the document you're talking about. Could you fill out this form and include the URL to your document? I'll see it and answer right away. I hope this helps!

McKayl B 0 votes
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Has this issue been resolved? I'm experiencing the exact same problem.

This is especially problematic when I have multiple objects one on top of the other as well as multiple objects on top of the same background. Being able to control only some of the objects and resize/move them is crucial so it's important to be able to select only some of them without having to select one by one. Also, when I select multiple objects using the CMD+Click option it doesn't highlight which objects are selected so it's impossible to tell whether the right objects are selected or not. 

Inbal L 0 votes
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Hi Inbal,

You sent us the URL to the document via a support ticket (thank you much) and I replied there, but you bring up a good point here. At present, Lucidchart is not optimized for having multiple objects on top of one another in a layer, which is naturally at the very top of the "z-order" already. When objects overlap and a click in a certain location could refer to any one of the shapes, the editor cannot distinguish which shape you want to select. Cmnd+click is another way of incrementally expanding the selection area, which will incorporate shapes that fall within that area, even if you did not click on those shapes explicitly. It would be very difficult for us to change this process, since the areas overlap.

If you need to select one object out of a group of several, you may want to move the other objects out of the way, or consider another way of achieving the same look with fewer shapes. This is often possible, but I wouldn't assume it would be an appropriate solution for you. If you can point out which layers and objects need attention and describe the goal, I would be more than happy to help you work around this.

Thanks for your thoughtful response. I really appreciate your input!

McKayl B 0 votes
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Thanks McKayl for suggesting alternatives. If for the time being you can at least optimize the selection so that only the objects within the frame that I highlight are selected, that will be a huge help as well!

Inbal L 0 votes
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Click-drag should have a setting. The way it works is rather frustrating sometimes. I understand what the issue is above. In visio (and many drawing programs) you can choose "Select inside selection box" (what I want) or "Select touching selection box" (what you have now).

A little check box or radio button should allow the user to choose which method they like. 

 

Robert H 1 vote
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I am also having this issue.  If I have a large rectangle shape, say - that I laid out for a module, and then several smaller shapes on top of it (buttons, text), and I ONLY want to select the buttons or text, NOT THE LARGE "background" shape I created as a module container --- I use my mouse click and drag to rectangle-select multiple objects, completely encircling the ones I want to select, HOWEVER - It appears that LucidChart does not require objects to be completely surrounded by the mouse selection outline, merely touched.

So the buttons, text, AND background module are all selected, despite me only fully encircling the buttons and text with my mouse.  Its really annoying.

gibby 0 votes
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After having read this thread I am still unable to select and move an object - I only draw arrows I do not need or resize it. The object is just a small circle 0.05in x 0.05 inch, no other objects close to it. Zooming in does not help.

Assen K 0 votes
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This is extremely frustrating. Lucid chart never used to be this difficult to work with. Disappointed with all the new UI "improvements" when basic things like MOVING SHAPES require users to look in help docs.

Solveig S 0 votes
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I agree. I am having the same problem. I can't move a small object. It always thinks I want to connect it to another object and proceeds to drawing a connection line. The only I can move it is to zoom in. That is annoying. Is there a fix for this?

Rollin M 0 votes
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I seriously have not used Lucidchart since I added a comment to this post. Instead, I bought parallels for my mac, bought  a copy of Win7, and installed Visio.

Does this give you an indication of how important this functionality is?

Robert H 0 votes
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Hi all,
Thank you for the feedback and your patience. Please know that we are currently working on redesigning the core experience of the app and most if not all of the experiences mentioned above will be addressed. We will begin working on this big effort in the next few days and hope to make significant progress within the next couple of months. We will keep you posted on our progress here. Thanks again for your patience and hopefully you will be pleased with the planned changes.

Edgar C 0 votes
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Recommend better use case testing, large objects, small, etc.  Overlapped, beneath, different layers.  I ended up spending more than half my drawing time trying to figure out how to move small objects around a complicated network diagram.  Rather than actually drawing, its hard to concentrate on actually performing quality work when your tools don't work intuitively. 

After this is solved for, please post video's or animated gifs of how we can accomplish many of these mundane tasks. 

Thanks.

As a total aside, the visio export tool is not anywhere near where it needs to be. 

Spyro M 0 votes
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The last comment in this thread is 7 months ago.  Was the "official comment" made before or after that?

 

seelbach 0 votes
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I agree, newbie and same frustration! Axure and other drawing tools use the concept of changing the nature of your mouse actions...so if I'm in "selection" mode, I'm automatically trying to grab, move and resize objects. If I'm in "connector" mode, I'm connecting elements. I think Visio had this as well if memory serves. Really loving the product overall, but that would be a tremendous improvement!!

Molly M 0 votes
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I read through the post. Can't find the logic why I can't just click on an object and select it and drag it. Why do I have to press command and then click it and then drag it?

Ofer 0 votes
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If I could I would. I have to command click and when it does 'stick' then I have to wait a second and then I can drag. There is no click and drag enabled or something.

Ofer 0 votes
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Hi Ofer,

This is really odd! Could you fill out this form and include the doc URL as well as the Javascript Console errors so that we can take a closer look?

Kristy P 0 votes
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In most drawing programs it seems that an object is only select if the entire object is within the select box.  That's how most people select smaller object that are overlaid on larger objects without also selecting the larger object at the same time. A smaller select box prevents a background image from also being selected. It seems with Lucid only a portion of an object needs to be within a selection box and then that object is added to the group selection.

This is very frustrating and seems like it would be a simple logic change in how the select box functionality decides if an object should be added to the selected objects.

Mike W M 1 vote
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Hello!  I must be missing something but I can't seem to figure it out.  I can't seem to deselect an object.  For instance, I click and drag to select multiple objects and wish to deselect one of the objects selected within.  In Illustrator (and in most drawing applications) you can Shift+Click to deselect an object but that doesn't seem to work in LucidChart.  Any suggestions?  Thanks!

Jesse T 0 votes
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Hi Jesse,

Thanks for posting in the community! To deselect an object after dragging to select multiple objects, you should be able to press Ctrl + click. This will deselect the clicked object, while still allowing you to manipulate the other selected objects. Let me know if that works for you!

Hayden N 0 votes
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If I have an object, within, behind or on top of another object, I can use CMD+click the smaller object, but as soon as I try to do anything else, the surrounding object is selected and if I drag it drags both objects. They are not grouped. Is there any other trick?

Another oddity is one of the containing objects that I moved stole the text within another container as I was dragging it.

Kendall S 0 votes
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Hi Kendall,

Thanks for posting in the community! Could you confirm exactly what functionality you're looking for? Moving objects in clusters can be tricky, and sometimes the best solution is just to arrange and rearrange as needed. Another option you can consider is to use different layers as you're placing your objects, so that you can switch between layers to edit instead of moving everything in one big group. 

 

Could you possibly provide screenshots on the container before and after it stole the text? Thank you!

Carson G 0 votes
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